Comments on: PlayStation Meeting: Sony are lending me an ear http://savygamer.co.uk/2014/01/15/playstation-meeting-sony-are-lending-me-an-ear/ What're you buying, stranger? Sat, 18 Jan 2014 08:48:43 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.5 By: Ian http://savygamer.co.uk/2014/01/15/playstation-meeting-sony-are-lending-me-an-ear/#comment-501252 Sat, 18 Jan 2014 08:48:43 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=49779#comment-501252 I have many gripes with the PSN store front. I wont list them all here but my main gripe is this:
I find it very difficult to manage my PSN game library. By this, I mean games I have purchased over PSN or downloaded for free via PS Plus that are NOT on my hard disk.

The list is not easy to get to or very user-friendly; the bigger the list, the more difficult it is to find what you’re looking for. It is sorted by date of purchase and it is currently not possible to change the sorting order.

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By: Sparkalade http://savygamer.co.uk/2014/01/15/playstation-meeting-sony-are-lending-me-an-ear/#comment-501250 Fri, 17 Jan 2014 19:20:46 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=49779#comment-501250 Well done and good luck with this! I think Shahid and Sony in general are doing great things indeed.

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By: Gary Fleming http://savygamer.co.uk/2014/01/15/playstation-meeting-sony-are-lending-me-an-ear/#comment-501246 Fri, 17 Jan 2014 08:50:42 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=49779#comment-501246 In reply to Gary Fleming.

As a way of enabling this, maybe it’d be worth rolling out digital downloads to more retailers? The PSN store on Amazon in the US seems pretty reasonable. The UK version doesn’t have PS4 stuff yet (as far as I can see). I’d like to see that improved, and more retailers able to sell digital copies of games. I imagine that’ll help digital pricing; the presence of some actual competition, assuming the wholesale rates are in-line with physical.

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By: Gary Fleming http://savygamer.co.uk/2014/01/15/playstation-meeting-sony-are-lending-me-an-ear/#comment-501245 Fri, 17 Jan 2014 08:48:10 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=49779#comment-501245 In reply to Joshua Haugh.

+1 The search is terrible on their site.

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By: MechaGK http://savygamer.co.uk/2014/01/15/playstation-meeting-sony-are-lending-me-an-ear/#comment-501244 Thu, 16 Jan 2014 19:17:44 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=49779#comment-501244 Now we’re adding things like a universal store, which seems quite unlikely, I would like to add changing country for a PSN account, just within the same region?

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By: Chris Knight http://savygamer.co.uk/2014/01/15/playstation-meeting-sony-are-lending-me-an-ear/#comment-501243 Thu, 16 Jan 2014 11:01:29 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=49779#comment-501243 two words – universal store!

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By: jonginn http://savygamer.co.uk/2014/01/15/playstation-meeting-sony-are-lending-me-an-ear/#comment-501241 Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:41:06 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=49779#comment-501241 In reply to Duke Voodoo.

100% agree with this – I’ve often been about to hit ‘buy’ on a Vita, only to see how ridiculously expensive the memory cards are, and stopped. I can’t be the only one.

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By: excel_excel http://savygamer.co.uk/2014/01/15/playstation-meeting-sony-are-lending-me-an-ear/#comment-501240 Wed, 15 Jan 2014 23:34:17 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=49779#comment-501240 Will we ever have 60Hz PS1 titles on the store?

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By: Illuminatatus http://savygamer.co.uk/2014/01/15/playstation-meeting-sony-are-lending-me-an-ear/#comment-501239 Wed, 15 Jan 2014 21:59:30 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=49779#comment-501239 Nice one for getting this meeting dude! I love that one of the big guns is paying attention to your particular brand of savy social justice. Proves how amazing at doing what you are doing 😀

Anyway, any queries i had have been mentioned above. I wanna know when ps4 is gonna get mp3 support! I wanna be able to play nfs rivals and listen to my own choons at the same time off a usb stick! 360 did this perfectly, ps3 did it for some games. Surely ps4 can handle it?

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By: eddie o'hanlon http://savygamer.co.uk/2014/01/15/playstation-meeting-sony-are-lending-me-an-ear/#comment-501238 Wed, 15 Jan 2014 21:40:30 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=49779#comment-501238 If possible, I’d like to be able to access I’ve purchased from other regions on my vita.e.g. I have purchased ps1 games off of the US store for use on my ps3.I’d also like to play them on my vita. I also have PC Engine games on my Hong Kong account that I would like to play.

I would like to see reductions on sale price similar to that of US PSPlus users.The sale price for these users is usually 75% off the original rrp.

I would like the removal of the 100 icon limit on the vita too.I’m pretty close to the limit just now, and have my eye on a number of vita games due out later this year, thanks to Shahid!

Good luck with your meeting.

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By: Mark http://savygamer.co.uk/2014/01/15/playstation-meeting-sony-are-lending-me-an-ear/#comment-501237 Wed, 15 Jan 2014 18:44:14 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=49779#comment-501237 Out of all the companies, Sony has been one of the best in terms of how they conduct their business.

GOOD:
– PS+ Free Games are an unbelievable bonus and they should keep it up. Honestly, without this I probably would have stuck with the Xbox One (I was a 360 owner, and loved it).
– Region Free Hardware/Hard Copies is also very important.
– Even though its now compulsory for multiplayer, the pricing for PS+ is just about okay where it stands right now (but only looks like that if Free Games continue) and I’m happy to fork out this amount per annum.

BAD:
– Region Locked PS Store, Can’t access same deals/games as US accounts and I was unable to redeem any of my codes (which came with a US box). I expect that Playstation Now will have similar issues.
– Pricing, In Australia, new retail releases come at 105AUD (both Xbox and PS), which is almost double the US retail price. Considering that Australia has free trade with the US, has a GST of 10% and there shouldn’t be major shipping costs due to the small size/weight of games, why the price is this high is beyond me (besides mutual greed). I’m sure the issue is the same over in Europe.
– DLNA support, I read somewhere that they are planning to put it in post-patch but until then this is a major issue for myself, and many of my friends, because we use our consoles as global media devices for our home. I am tired of having to switch to my Xbox 360 in order to watch a digital download or play music (which I shouldn’t have to pay for again) in my home.

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By: Raigan http://savygamer.co.uk/2014/01/15/playstation-meeting-sony-are-lending-me-an-ear/#comment-501236 Wed, 15 Jan 2014 17:25:43 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=49779#comment-501236 Please, please put the store icon on the main PS4 bar, not hidden at top. Most games are going to be bought digitally, having the store be the leftmost entry on the main bar rather than buried up in the options/utility menu would make a lot more sense. (I’m saying this as a ps4 dev who wants the ps store to perform better than it has in the past)

As others have mentioned, the store is pretty terrible (search works amazingly but that doesn’t help discoverability), having an unresponsive runs-at-10fps experience on that hardware is inexcusable! Also: Amazon may have patented one-click but that doesn’t mean I should have to execute 10+ button presses to buy and download a game.

Even better: redesign the whole ps4 menu UI to be more useable, eg: keep the order stable so I know where each of my downloaded games is and don’t have to hunt for where they’ve been moved to; a vertical list like ps3 so I can see more than 6 things at once – when you have 100+ downloaded games the current ps4 UI is going to be a nightmare! And/or allowing me to group things in folders or pages would be a massive help.

Also: please get rid of the crap that comes pre-installed which pollutes the main bar (eg playroom) – it reminds me of buying a laptop and having it loaded up with tons of garbage programs. At least let me hide/delete things that I will never use.

Finally: why do the controllers still not go to sleep automatically?! This was the one big thing I loved about 360 over ps3, I didn’t have to manually power the damn things off if I decided to step away for a break. Even worse, turning off a controller is now buried behind two extra layers of menus! It’s a bit insane: adjust devices>ds4>turn off… this is a very frequently used command which should be on the main page when you hold the ps button.

Sorry if this is a bit ranty… I just feel like the UI is bit of a step back from ps3 in some ways, which is frustrating.

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By: Natalie Amos http://savygamer.co.uk/2014/01/15/playstation-meeting-sony-are-lending-me-an-ear/#comment-501235 Wed, 15 Jan 2014 17:07:35 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=49779#comment-501235 Possibly already mentioned in one of the other comments (don’t have time to read through right now), but working to get PS4 versions of PS3 games that are coming out would be great. For example, if Dark Souls II were available on PS4 I would be going for that version for the ease of sharing, but as it isn’t, I’m going for PC where I can at least take screencaps.

As others have mentioned it is slim pickings right now. I would especially like to see some Japanese staples like JRPGs on the upcoming releases list, but seeing how late Japanese studios often are to the party, I don’t expect to be seeing things like that soon. PS4 version of the upcoming Tales of Zestiria would be awesome, but I know, unlikely.

Agree with all mentions of the cost of digital games at release (although I think I have heard this is to give retail shops a buffer period to remain relevant). Also Nthing the Vita memory card pricing issue. Maybe a PS Plus subscription could be bundled with them for free? I liked the idea behind the existing game bundles, I think that’s going in the right direction.

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By: Saltire http://savygamer.co.uk/2014/01/15/playstation-meeting-sony-are-lending-me-an-ear/#comment-501234 Wed, 15 Jan 2014 16:44:26 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=49779#comment-501234 PS Vita – I don’t even look at it because the memory card necessity AND pricing are ridiculous.

Digital download pricing is also ridiculous, on all sides. The first one who figures out that cheaper digital downloads will kick start a truly digital console generation will be a clear winner.

Patches. They are awful on PS, and across all consoles, why do I need to patch a new digital download? Save me time and effort, have my new download patched and ready to play immediately please.

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By: Chris Lord http://savygamer.co.uk/2014/01/15/playstation-meeting-sony-are-lending-me-an-ear/#comment-501233 Wed, 15 Jan 2014 16:11:51 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=49779#comment-501233 Something that I bet would increase their sale numbers is just if their store performed better. It’s awfully jerky and slow, even on the PS4. I would assume that this is a combination of a bad web rendering engine and a poorly optimised site. Given the same site runs great even on a quite modest PC in Firefox, I’d pin the blame more on the former.

Certainly, I’ve made more impulse buys on the WiiU store (which runs great, surfaces content with fewer interactions and plays catchy music) than I have on the PSN store, despite how little worthwhile content there is on it.

Let them know that Mozilla would almost certainly be happy to port Gecko (the Firefox rendering engine) to the PS4 🙂 (ftr, I work for Mozilla)

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By: ziggymon http://savygamer.co.uk/2014/01/15/playstation-meeting-sony-are-lending-me-an-ear/#comment-501232 Wed, 15 Jan 2014 16:02:07 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=49779#comment-501232 Hey congrats on getting the meeting. I have a few questions for Sony,

1. With the arrival of the Amazon and GAME Playstation Digital stores, what is the future roadmap for Sony with regards to competitive pricing on its digital games against 3rd party PSN stores?
2. I would like to ask if Sony are planning to return the weekend/week only deals to the EU PSN store?
3. Are there any future plans to continue with the PS3-PS4 trade up program as an incentive for potential PS4 customers this year?

Thank you

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By: somebodyelse http://savygamer.co.uk/2014/01/15/playstation-meeting-sony-are-lending-me-an-ear/#comment-501231 Wed, 15 Jan 2014 15:22:11 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=49779#comment-501231 Proper depreciation of digital titles. I can understand the games coming just (slightly) lower than RRP at launch, but keeping the price there indefinitely is silly. There’s not much Sony can do for third parties, but suggesting them to look at sales over time might convince them to rethink their pricing strategies (for example, I wouldn’t ever buy a game full price unless I was dying to play it. I might give a 25€ game a chance if it seems my cup of tea, but for a tenner or less, I’m willing to try most anything)

That, and better communication about the release of niche titles. There have been titles put out for the Vita without even a mention on the blog, or any kind of push whatsoever (the Atelier remakes). Also, 40€ for a digital Vita title is nuts.

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By: Neria http://savygamer.co.uk/2014/01/15/playstation-meeting-sony-are-lending-me-an-ear/#comment-501230 Wed, 15 Jan 2014 14:43:10 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=49779#comment-501230 In reply to Neria.

And one more smaller thing, for those of you complaining about the quality of sales on PSN, you have not seen the Asia PSN sales. This is what we got for Christmas 2013 and Jan 2014 http://blog.asia.playstation.com/community/hk/en/playstation_network/playstation_store/blog/2013/12/24/festive-treats-from-ps-store-winter-holiday-offers-of-30-off

But hey, this is a much smaller thing than region locking all digital content (except for patches, funny enough) and missing games.

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By: Neria http://savygamer.co.uk/2014/01/15/playstation-meeting-sony-are-lending-me-an-ear/#comment-501229 Wed, 15 Jan 2014 14:30:44 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=49779#comment-501229 I would like to bring up another point, that of missing games from PSN Asia. I understand for third party games, the licensing is up to them and Asia gets shafted because we are a small market. However, there are games that are published by Sony like Dexter, Racket and Clank : Deadlocked HD, Jak and Dexter HD collection (for Vita) which are missing from PSN Asia.

There are also some Nippon Ichi Software (NIS) PSP games in English that are missing from PSN Asia, while their Japanese versions can be found. I asked NISA to fix it, and I was told that SONY Asia was responsible for bringing their titles over. And I did inform SONY Asia about this, except I got only an automated reply that did nothing.
To clarify, on PSN Asia, Prinny 2: Dawn of Operation Panties, Dood! and Phantom Brave: The Hermuda Triangle (English version) does not exist (the full game), only the Japanese versions exist. On the other hand, Disgaea 2: Dark Hero Days has both English and Japanese version on PSN Asia, but only the Japanese version has DLC. So SONY, do something about this.

So please SONY, I love my PS3 and Vita, but getting shafting me because of my country is not doing you any favours.

P.S. I forgot to mention this for my previous post: saves are region locked (and presumably cross saves as well)

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By: Mark http://savygamer.co.uk/2014/01/15/playstation-meeting-sony-are-lending-me-an-ear/#comment-501228 Wed, 15 Jan 2014 14:18:40 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=49779#comment-501228 In reply to ran93r.

Fairly high prices from my understanding is perhaps of the up keep cost for keeping the servers running (disk is already there pre-load to reuse again and again) and probably because they can, i.e they take all profits whereas for retail there is a cut and bulk buying discounts.

“Ideally I would like to be able to throw in the PS3 disc and free stream it on the PS4. If I have to pay an extra sub (small) for this, that’s fine. We know the PS4 can see the PS3 discs as that’s how it’s doing its PS3>PS4 upgrade checking. I will be quite disappointed if I have to pay again for each game I already own.”

This is unlikely as PSNow is another service, same with digital which again is another service which will have their costs associated with it. As with digital, if you buy a physical copy you will not get the digital copy, same with ports of games between the consoles (with exception of the promotional upgrade to encourage sales due to new console release); thus highly unlikely you will get access to a game you already own on PSNow.

There are two things I would like to see:

> Fix that download list in PSN, I started getting alot of games from PS Plus and side digital purchases. It’s a nightmare going through that list to find a game to download.
> More games! The main reason I’m getting the console! I would like to see more localised goodness like niche games from Japan. Perhaps costs will be saved it just digital if worried about retail sales and costs, a game plus patch by sony’s own localisation studio is well acceptable in exchange for having access to a game that probably won’t see light and day here. Eg. Yakuza, Gundam and Macross 30 and SRW series. From what I’m aware they are adding japan language in form of patch with lip sync for new FFX-3 so entirely do-able.
> There is also issues with localisation and content, would love it to be universal which will save the headaches for many accounts like access to JPN demos, games, etc. There is also issue of some PSOne games available on NA but not here like Chrono Trigger, although wasn’t released in UK originally =p

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By: Neria http://savygamer.co.uk/2014/01/15/playstation-meeting-sony-are-lending-me-an-ear/#comment-501227 Wed, 15 Jan 2014 14:11:25 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=49779#comment-501227 I’ll like to bring up a topic that is doesn’t seem to be widely discussed: that of region locking of content on the PS3 and Vita. Wait, you say, aren’t they region free? Not quite, it turns out. I’m from Singapore, so my Vita and PS3 have an Asia PSN account. I got burned in importing a (new) US copy of Wipeout 2048, not only can I not use the online pass, I cannot access Wipeout HD that I own on my PS3 on my Vita due to the region lock on all digital contents.

The thing is, if I import a game, I can’t use the online pass, buy DLC or redeem any DLC that comes in the box, even if they exist on the store and are the same language version. This matters, as Asia is a smaller market with old games being often out of print. On the other hand, the region free games on the Xbox 360 have no such issues.

What this means is that I am actually actively discouraged from buying new. This is because if I buy used (from my region), at least then I can buy DLC and online passes that will work.

What I am saying is that this nonsensical region lock only hurts everyone, from Sony and devs not being able to sell DLC and players not being able play online, redeem DLC that they have already bought and buy DLC for games they love.

Yes, I do realise there is a workaround for the PS3, where you get multiple accounts and buy PSN cash cards. But that is just stupid, and there is no workaround for the Vita.

I understand that there are often licensing issues that prevent store parity (in terms of contend) between regions. However, region locking content that is available in all the regions in question is just stupidity and reeks of incompetence.

In short: if I buy a region free game on the 360 (from say the US or the EU) I can use their online pass, redemn any DLC that comes with it and buy DLC that is avaliable from Xbox Live in my country.

If I buy a “region free” game on the PS3/Vita that is not from my region, I am barred from playing online if it comes with an online pass, I cannot redeem DLC and I cannot buy DLC that will work with my copy even though it exist in PSN Asia.

Hopefully this mess can be cleared up as soon as possible.

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By: deadfolk http://savygamer.co.uk/2014/01/15/playstation-meeting-sony-are-lending-me-an-ear/#comment-501226 Wed, 15 Jan 2014 13:49:51 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=49779#comment-501226 Ooh – and classic games unavailable in Europe. Still waiting for Suidoken, Xenogears and others.

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By: deadfolk http://savygamer.co.uk/2014/01/15/playstation-meeting-sony-are-lending-me-an-ear/#comment-501225 Wed, 15 Jan 2014 13:47:02 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=49779#comment-501225 Pricing. This is the big one for me. PS4 games in Ireland are between €60 and €70 digitally, and pretty much the same at retail.

It’s really hard to justify that when I can get the Steam version in most cases for €50 at launch – and that’s without shopping around.

And Vita memory cards. We need bigger and cheaper. I can’t get the most out of my vita, because a decent sized memory card is 3x the cost of a full retail game. Really stops me buying Vita games digitally.

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By: Joshua Haugh http://savygamer.co.uk/2014/01/15/playstation-meeting-sony-are-lending-me-an-ear/#comment-501224 Wed, 15 Jan 2014 13:30:34 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=49779#comment-501224 I’m not sure if anyone else has suggested this, and this isn’t exactly related to pricing, but more so it leads into them actually getting purchases from the PlayStation Store.

They seriously need to sort out their actual search function which is inferior to the previous store, searching by 1 letter then popping all the way back up to the top again instead of an onscreen keyboard is far from being intuitive.

The same thing goes with their download management list of items owned on our accounts, why do we need to scroll through hundreds instead of having a search function built in to filter the results down? Trust me, these 2 things alone if improved/implemented would have a beneficial factor for consumers such as us, and in the long run, will be better for Sony too, profit and word wise.

But more relevant to the topic on hand…they need to fix the pricing on their store for new games, £55 for launch is an actual joke and is most of the time, one of the most expensive options when they can distribute as many digital licenses as they want to. No need for wasting plastic on discs and boxes, and paper for the manuals, that is just easily done digitally anyway and the price should reflect for something like Steam and other Digital outlets have.

Also, they seriously need to have more sales going on, I mean, that is what gets units moving. More sales will definitely provide better income in the long run, and this has been proven time and time again on some of the major digital outlets, of course, they need to do a mixture of reasonable and possibly crazy-type sales to experiment with their audience.

We know digital is literally going to be the majority of where we purchase our games/music/movies in the very near future wiping out most or all physical media, so the sooner they straighten out and streamline their digital store’s experience, the better. I know I’m not alone in thinking this, and I’m pretty sure most would agree.

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By: CW http://savygamer.co.uk/2014/01/15/playstation-meeting-sony-are-lending-me-an-ear/#comment-501223 Wed, 15 Jan 2014 13:08:04 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=49779#comment-501223 I think we need better parity between regions on sales. In the current 14 for 14 US sale, Tales of Xillia is $10 for PS+ subs. In the recent PAL PSN sale it’s been about £31 for PS+ subs.

Of course it’s relatively easy to import digital games from US PSN these days, but I generally prefer to support games released domestically when I can because Europe usually gets the shaft on Japanese games, so I import as a last resort (not usually related to price, but availability) because I think encouraging local distributors to take a risk on these games is generally a good idea.

I also think they should let us have multiple PSN accounts on our Vita. Some people like to change their online identity at some point or another, but are hamstrung because they don’t want to lose their portable games. Also, I want to import US-only games like Persona 2 Eternal Punishment.

Besides that, the usual gripes: digital/physical price parity (digital game prices should be sane), better — and more frequent/regular — sales, and hopefully a quick death to the £10 next-gen tax, because I don’t remember games in America going up from $60 to $70. It’s disgusting that £10 has been added to game RRP, just because they thought they could get away with it. It certainly makes me less likely to purchase a game until it’s crashed in price.

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