Comments on: GOG & CD Projekt Embrace Regional Pricing Bollocks http://savygamer.co.uk/2015/04/16/gog-cd-projekt-embrace-regional-pricing-bollocks/ What're you buying, stranger? Fri, 24 Apr 2015 20:04:24 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.5 By: Naetharu http://savygamer.co.uk/2015/04/16/gog-cd-projekt-embrace-regional-pricing-bollocks/#comment-503967 Fri, 24 Apr 2015 20:04:24 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=65805#comment-503967 Really interesting article with lots to think about. Insofar as regional pricing goes, in theory I find it perfectly fine to have countries that are less wealthy able to purchase games cheaper. However, as Lewie mentioned above, its a shame that the price-structure is often only based around a few select markets, leaving many poorer countries paying USA prices.

Insofar as GoG stands, however, I am pretty shocked that they pulled this one given their explicit stance beforehand. I have no issue with GoG changing their policy, and in fact think that it is a good idea all things considered, at least when it comes to big games like The Witcher 3, but I dislike the underhanded manner in which they pulled this one off. It smells a little too much like EA for my tastes.

Saying that, both GoG and CD Project Red have been champions of PC gaming for a good while now. The first two Witcher games were great DRM free titles and I have every hope that the third will be the same. I\m going to hope that this matter is a case of a small misstep by GoG rather than anything more serious. They’ve an excelent track record so I guess its best to give them the benefit of the doubt.

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By: Heliocentric http://savygamer.co.uk/2015/04/16/gog-cd-projekt-embrace-regional-pricing-bollocks/#comment-503957 Sat, 18 Apr 2015 10:24:39 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=65805#comment-503957 In reply to James.

Putin loves him some DRM free Sacrifice multiplayer, it’s true. He’s such a Frostwolf rusher though.

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By: Filip http://savygamer.co.uk/2015/04/16/gog-cd-projekt-embrace-regional-pricing-bollocks/#comment-503954 Sat, 18 Apr 2015 06:11:03 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=65805#comment-503954 Small correction – debating is always good – regardless of topic

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By: Filip http://savygamer.co.uk/2015/04/16/gog-cd-projekt-embrace-regional-pricing-bollocks/#comment-503952 Fri, 17 Apr 2015 19:55:41 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=65805#comment-503952 Something which you did not mention is that GOG offered quite generous discount if you had already Witcher 1 or 2 or both. Something unprecedented in history of gaming which i haven’t experienced before. Also you did not mention that when people were making per orders they where throwing vouchers for 10 dollars (I think) to compensate higher price in this region.
Why they sell their game over there cheaper – is totally understandable for me – people leaving there earn less and need to live for less simply due to their history and something which they can’t change. I have one Russian on battlelog and he plays on Geforce 560 and even older processor in windowed mode to keep frame rate bit higher. For the same reason MacDonald’s charges for their Macburgers 10 dollars in Manhattan and 1 dollar in Zimbabwe. In this case they wouldn’t sell much, people would pirate this game due to not being able to purchase in first place. Kotick once said that if he could charge more for games – he would do that. When EA abandoned Steam and opened Origin – they even increased prices. Game industry has more problems – I’m looking at you Ubisoft and EA, than debating on charging people less who got lesser.

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By: trn http://savygamer.co.uk/2015/04/16/gog-cd-projekt-embrace-regional-pricing-bollocks/#comment-503951 Fri, 17 Apr 2015 15:55:13 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=65805#comment-503951 Here’s Gog’s manifesto from March 2014 when they caved to regional pricing on their site: http://www.gog.com/news/getting_back_to_our_roots

They state in point 2 that customers affected adversely by regional pricing will get store credit to compensate. Presumably that means those who’ve pre-ordered TW3 will get a beefy bonus of c. £30 to spend in store?

I doubt it.

Thanks for highlighting this latest development.

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By: James http://savygamer.co.uk/2015/04/16/gog-cd-projekt-embrace-regional-pricing-bollocks/#comment-503949 Fri, 17 Apr 2015 11:08:13 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=65805#comment-503949 In reply to Jan.

So are you saying GOG pricing structure in Russia is about appeasing Putin to stop him invading Poland?

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By: kolobos http://savygamer.co.uk/2015/04/16/gog-cd-projekt-embrace-regional-pricing-bollocks/#comment-503947 Fri, 17 Apr 2015 09:22:25 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=65805#comment-503947 PapoAtna, I completely agree. That in my opinion is the actual reason. When all’s said and done the only thing that truly matters to a company is the bottom line, meaning profit.

I’d be very interested to see how regional pricing correlates to piracy for different countries such as Canada, Australia, China, Russia etc. My bet would be that fit very closely. More evidence of this is that alot of free to play games are first rolled out in Russia, such as the new Halo online game.

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By: zd http://savygamer.co.uk/2015/04/16/gog-cd-projekt-embrace-regional-pricing-bollocks/#comment-503945 Fri, 17 Apr 2015 06:41:16 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=65805#comment-503945 In reply to bobikus.

Mine is still in GOG account, but I live next to Ukraine, so maybe they thought I might have visited the country or what…

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By: Jan http://savygamer.co.uk/2015/04/16/gog-cd-projekt-embrace-regional-pricing-bollocks/#comment-503942 Thu, 16 Apr 2015 22:18:47 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=65805#comment-503942 In reply to Lewie Procter.

I don’t have the kind of data or insight into their politics, I don’t know how big those markets are compared to europe so i can’t really say anything.
But…
Like i’ve mentioned russia is our neighbour, their problems are more immediate to us and whether you talk about the general popultion, politicians or businessman, we all care about what’s going to happen over the border. I do believe that to discuss this subject you’d need a greater understanding of the politics between our nations. We don’t know much about asia and care even less what happens in africa, but when putin farts in pur direction evryone is talking about it (slight hyperbole).
If it were any other european country i would agree with you, but i still believe that in this case you have jumped the shark

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By: InformedPerson http://savygamer.co.uk/2015/04/16/gog-cd-projekt-embrace-regional-pricing-bollocks/#comment-503941 Thu, 16 Apr 2015 22:00:08 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=65805#comment-503941 In reply to RobR.

Sorry but that is simply BS. They have never stated all DLC will be free. NEVER. It’s one of those bad headlines that got circulated and everyone ate it up as fact.

They said such small cosmetic DLCs will be free and that only bigger content that they feel is worth it will be charged. I remember this because I have waited many years hoping an expansion to Witcher 2 came out since they made that statement.

I can’t find the original 2011/12 articles but I did find this from 2 years ago.

“We could sell extra content to gamers down the road, but we don’t believe in that. Only something really big, and something that will not make you feel ripped off, justifies a price tag. If we ever decide to charge you for something, we think you will appreciate what you get in return.”

– Konrad Tomaszkiewicz, July 2013
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/07/29/witcher-3-dev-doesn-39-t-want-to-sell-you-extra-content.aspx

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By: RiptoR http://savygamer.co.uk/2015/04/16/gog-cd-projekt-embrace-regional-pricing-bollocks/#comment-503940 Thu, 16 Apr 2015 21:47:23 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=65805#comment-503940 In reply to James.

Was coming here to say the exact same thing. The Witcher 3’s requirements may not be extremely high, but you still need a beefy system to run it decently. So if you can buy such a system, you can pay the same price as the rest of us imo.

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By: Adam http://savygamer.co.uk/2015/04/16/gog-cd-projekt-embrace-regional-pricing-bollocks/#comment-503939 Thu, 16 Apr 2015 20:45:21 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=65805#comment-503939 Regional pricing is a disgrace and the idea that just because you live in a wealthy country that you yourself are wealthy enough to pay a lot more than other countries is flawed beyond belief. Props for standing up for the consumer and thank you for your fantastic site.

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By: Flappybat http://savygamer.co.uk/2015/04/16/gog-cd-projekt-embrace-regional-pricing-bollocks/#comment-503938 Thu, 16 Apr 2015 19:22:05 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=65805#comment-503938 I never considered the fact they don’t universally charge less in poor countries, thought it would be lower in all of them not just when it suits them.

Australia and Canada have it worst, their pricing is shameful.

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By: PapoAtna http://savygamer.co.uk/2015/04/16/gog-cd-projekt-embrace-regional-pricing-bollocks/#comment-503937 Thu, 16 Apr 2015 18:23:51 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=65805#comment-503937 There are way more poorer countries in this world than Russia, Ukraine yet they get the wrong side of the stick. The only reason these two countries (and many others in that particular region) get so low prices is due to insane piracy rates.

The same is evident into the Chinese market too. Generally regions with very high piracy rates seem to get lower prices in order to convince people to buy legit copies so people if you want lower prices to your region start pirating heavily 😛

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By: Lewie Procter http://savygamer.co.uk/2015/04/16/gog-cd-projekt-embrace-regional-pricing-bollocks/#comment-503936 Thu, 16 Apr 2015 17:30:48 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=65805#comment-503936 In reply to Jan.

But do you not see this is true of many other countries that they do not give preferential treatment too? The argument you have outlined would be a much stronger position if they also charged countries in poorer Asian and African nations lower prices, rather than simply charging the same as in the USA.

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By: James http://savygamer.co.uk/2015/04/16/gog-cd-projekt-embrace-regional-pricing-bollocks/#comment-503935 Thu, 16 Apr 2015 16:09:49 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=65805#comment-503935 Must say I support your stance on this. If people in the former USSR can afford the hardware to run this game then surely they can afford to pay the same as the rest of Europe for the game. Thanks for your effort in helping gamers to save money. James

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By: FinnyMcFinnigan http://savygamer.co.uk/2015/04/16/gog-cd-projekt-embrace-regional-pricing-bollocks/#comment-503934 Thu, 16 Apr 2015 15:56:37 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=65805#comment-503934 *sigh* I really hope this is not a case of cashing in on good will. GOG and CDPR have always stood as bastions against the horrible monetisation trends of the industry today.

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By: Phil Hollett http://savygamer.co.uk/2015/04/16/gog-cd-projekt-embrace-regional-pricing-bollocks/#comment-503933 Thu, 16 Apr 2015 15:09:11 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=65805#comment-503933 Well I guess GOG will go on my list of do not buy from then. I find most of their stuff overpriced for what would normally amount to abandon ware anyway.

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By: Jan http://savygamer.co.uk/2015/04/16/gog-cd-projekt-embrace-regional-pricing-bollocks/#comment-503932 Thu, 16 Apr 2015 14:15:02 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=65805#comment-503932 For the first time I completely don’t agree with your stance…
I hate regional pricing as much as the next guy, but it’s not like they’re charging germany or new zealand differently. It’s Russia and Ukraine. EA sells DA:I for less than £18 over there. The economy is so unstable over there that most publishers have no idea how to do their business in those parts.
I mean there were such rubble value fluctuations that apple shut there store in Russia at one stage. And that’s before you take the rampant piracy into account.
This isn’t embracing regional pricing as you have stated in the title. This is a company that doesn’t know what to expect from a market that’s in huge turmoil.
And have i mentioned that doing business as a polish company with russia is like walking through a minefield?
When you’re a business ideology is one thing and remaining relevant is another.
CD Project has fought for many things that consumers desperately want and they still keep fighting. Yet even when they are ahead of the curve they still get s*** for doing something we’re not 100% happy.

I am Polish, I might be biased

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By: dex http://savygamer.co.uk/2015/04/16/gog-cd-projekt-embrace-regional-pricing-bollocks/#comment-503931 Thu, 16 Apr 2015 14:12:41 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=65805#comment-503931 In reply to bobikus.

Yes, it was definitely removed from my account. The payment was still taken though. So I’m basically paying £11 extra for Witcher 3 now, on top of the regional pricing crap. Thanks GOG!

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By: Jan http://savygamer.co.uk/2015/04/16/gog-cd-projekt-embrace-regional-pricing-bollocks/#comment-503930 Thu, 16 Apr 2015 13:59:24 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=65805#comment-503930 In reply to RobR.

Yeah, but question is what they mean by DLC.
Many companies release endless amounts of skins and such and feel fine charging for it – CD Project decided not to, good for us. The pass is supposed to be two pieces of DLC that are going to be lengthy (30 hours apparently). You shouldn’t be calling it DLC, you should be comparing it with Reaper of Souls.
I hate when people call others entitled because most don’t seem to understand what that word means, but it does apply here. You can’t expect to get 16 or something pieces of DLC for free and complain that now they’ve decided to make a paid expansion on top of that.
Just for comparison the DLC for DA:I is something like £15, the season pass for Destiny is a whooping £35
CD Project intends to keep it’s word and is still ahead of the others and somehow people still complain…

I’m Polish… i might be biased.

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By: Lewie Procter http://savygamer.co.uk/2015/04/16/gog-cd-projekt-embrace-regional-pricing-bollocks/#comment-503928 Thu, 16 Apr 2015 13:10:03 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=65805#comment-503928 In reply to Irien.

They didn’t take any action beyond the email. Their response was actually pretty toothless.

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By: Irien http://savygamer.co.uk/2015/04/16/gog-cd-projekt-embrace-regional-pricing-bollocks/#comment-503927 Thu, 16 Apr 2015 12:56:07 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=65805#comment-503927 Not entirely surprised by this reaction from GOG, to be honest, as my experience dealing with them privately has been quite different from their public “no DRM, we love you guys!” attitude that they present to the public. Sorry you got hit by that side of the business, Lewie 🙁

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By: Dantonir http://savygamer.co.uk/2015/04/16/gog-cd-projekt-embrace-regional-pricing-bollocks/#comment-503926 Thu, 16 Apr 2015 12:31:28 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=65805#comment-503926 In reply to Lewie Procter.

That would make more sense, especially as those publishers appear to be handling retail distribution of the PC version as well.

If it weren’t for the fact that CDProjekt developed the game I’d assume it simply wouldn’t have appeared on GoG at all (due to incompatibility between their policies and regional publishing agreements).

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By: Lewie Procter http://savygamer.co.uk/2015/04/16/gog-cd-projekt-embrace-regional-pricing-bollocks/#comment-503925 Thu, 16 Apr 2015 12:20:04 +0000 http://savygamer.co.uk/?p=65805#comment-503925 In reply to Dantonir.

If this is the case, I imagine that the blame lies more with crossplatform publishers/distributors they are working with than platform holders.

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